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Post subject: Re: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
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Welcome to the internet (aka 'assholes anonymous')
I totally agree with a lot of your points, and besides the usual Bay Bashing that every other site on the web does, it's refreshing to see you suggest what would make a better movie. If Bay actually went with your suggested storyline Transformers 1 and 2 would be pretty good popcorn flicks and there wouldn't be as much to criticize.
The dude's "based on toys, what do you expect" arguement is paper thin. Hell, the Dark Knight was based around a comic book and they managed to turn that into a very deep and well-developed movie. With GOOD writers, I can't imagine it would be hard to make Transformers 'deeper'.
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Post subject: Re: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:58 pm |
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LaughingMan wrote: The dude's "based on toys, what do you expect" arguement is paper thin. its non-effing-existing. seriously the toys were based of the original G1 transformers and being a collector of those toys its insulting to see that some of the hero's (Grimlock, Jazz, Optimus, and Bumblebee) of the Autobots were nothing but bitches in the first movie and the warriors of the Autobots (Ironhide, Sideswipe, Tracks, Wheel Jack, Mirage, Hound, Prowl just to name a few) are left to the side to make way for two of the most retarded transformers that you can think of.
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Post subject: Re: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
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G.I. Joe was based on toys, and it had a rocking story and cool characters (the 80's cartoon, haven't seen the movie yet).
Batman was based on a detective comic about a guy who dresses like a bat and beats up criminals, and now it's evolved into a deep story about moral dilemmas and a reflection of society itself.
Just because the story isn't pulled from a damn 800 page novel doesn't mean that it can't become something greater.
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Thanks for the props, m8's.
So what are the stats to the review? I read that Zimes hit 1000 views this month. Nice.
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Post subject: Re: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:11 pm |
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Gotta expect to get some asshats who want to rip on you for ripping on what they like. It's like the Circle of Life, or in this case the Circle of Human Nature.
I still don't think that Transformers 2 was all that bad. Sure the movie had rotten moments but it was still a decent popcorn flick. Besides, what is there to spend $10 on anymore?
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Post subject: Re: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:53 am |
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alright I finally saw the movie and Im more pissed at you guys than the movie. Really, as bad as people make it sound it was not THAT bad. Points made by the bash are valid: the two racist robots (I really hate them), story holes (who the F*** is "The Fallen" and if he was a prime, isn't Megatron a prime as well?), Ball and Fart jokes (really, for a kids movie?), and Bay effing up more original transformers rather than killing off the new ones (Did he really have to kill Arecee as well?), not to mention the effed up way that Optimus merged with Skyfire. Seriously F*** the spooney rip. he makes the movie sound so retardedly bad that he would rather pour hot lava down his throat than see the movie again. and his list of bad movies dont even have must have bad ones in there: The Master of Disguise is defiantly worse than battle field earth, independence day and I am sure there are more movies out there that can top the worse movie bit than that. yes I am pissed that there are not more warriors of the autobots in there and all the BS human crap that was placed in the movie but, if you want to see how Prime should have been in the first movie (kicking the crap out of starscream, megatron, and a third decepticon) Go see the movie. The action is bad ass and if you PAY ATTENTION you can tell who is getting the crap kicked out of them. There were so many characters in there that did not make sense or did not have enough development. First on the human side the S7 agent, and the effing college kid had to go. it was bad enough the first time around to see the S7 guy, did we really need to see that asshat in his tighty whiteys again? There was no development of Sideswipe, Volt (who did not even say one word), or Devistator (who did not say a word either), and the liquid pouring out of the Transformers was dumb as well. The battle scenes were awesome. Sideswipe and Arecee had a great scene. Bumblebee also had some good scenes as well although for some reason his voice is broke again. This movie is at least worth seeing once and owning. but I would only see it on a matinee.
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Post subject: Re: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
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Valid arguments, but I still agree with Ritos and Spoony on a majority of the movie's stupid points that really ruined TF2 as a whole. However, for a popcorn action flick, it isn't terrible like 'worst movie of all time', just inconsistent and it obviously suffers from a massive identity-crisis (language, sex and violence... for kids!!).
As far as being the movie-to-end-all-movies it was pretty lame, however the hype and merchandising did not help fan expectations at all. However, the phrase 'Directed by Michael Bay' should have prepared everyone for what we got.
I mean, look at Pearl Harbor, Armageddon and Bad Boys II: You are getting action, but little substance outside of the explosions.
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LaughingMan wrote: . . . However, the phrase 'Directed by Michael Bay' should have prepared everyone for what we got.
I mean, look at Pearl Harbor, Armageddon and Bad Boys II: You are getting action, but little substance outside of the explosions. And none of those movies are terrible or bad enough to make a "worse movie of all time" list. They are great films with a lot of action but his movies and some plot holes. If you are looking at an action flick to have Oscar type performance from the actors and directors you are barking up the wrong tree. He did not make these movies to win an award, he made these movies to blow shit up. Yes, he could have done a better job (probably not knowing his track record) with the plot and less actors but, we are stuck with what we see. Eff Michael Bay, he still ruined the movie by having too much retarded shit in there but, this is by far not the worse movie ever made. I hope the next Transformer movie is re-born by one of the directors that did Iron Man, Batman Begins, or I, Robot. at least those stories make sense and there are some great action scenes in there.
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Post subject: Re: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:44 pm |
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zimes wrote: I hope the next Transformer movie is re-born by one of the directors that did Iron Man, Batman Begins, or I, Robot. at least those stories make sense and there are some great action scenes in there.
And that is really my whole point in my review: movies with similar, simple backgrounds like Iron Man and Dark Knight -comic book movies- have achieved levels of greatness. They are both thought provoking and entertaining as hell to watch, so why did Transformers 2 take a huge leap backwards? It's like a cinema de-evolution.
I kind of addressed this in my response to the Bayformers fanboy on the review's comment box:
Quote: Sorry you feel like that, man, but you'll have to excuse me if I've come to expect more out of Hollywood than a string of fart jokes in a movie with a budget of $200-million.
Last year we had action movies that were surprisingly deep (Dark Knight and Iron Man) and everyone was thinking: "This is the power and magic of movies." It was like witnessing evolution or even the birth of a new species: The intelligent action blockbuster, and everybody loved it. It kept people excited and also made people think about what they had witnessed long after the movie was over.
Then along comes Michael Bay, the 50-year-old fratboy, dragging us back into the Dark Ages of the stupid popcorn flicks with Transformers 2. I'm insulted as a movie-goer that for $200-million they couldn't have pulled off either something slightly thought-provoking, or even just a cool movie about robots punching eachother. But no, we needed the juvinile humor that, according to the backlash against Revenge of the Fallen, people "love".
You want to know what I would do for a GOOD Transformers movie? Very simple: Sam gets a car that is actually a Transformer. From that moment on, the only purpose for Sam is to convey the world of the Transformers to the audience. Optimus Prime and the others explain their war to him, their technologies, and any other plot points. In telling Sam, the audience is properly informed about situations, characters, and so on. NO COLLEGE BULLSHIT, NO FOCUS ON RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN A NERD AND A FOX, NO GODDAMN ANNOYING PARENTS. PERIOD.
Another optional (or possibly added) perspective would be a soldier witnessing the war between the Transformers first-hand (kinda like how the first movie started out).
That's it. The rest is developing the characters of the individual Transformers, NOT the comedy relief characters. Have some wicked skirmish battles that lead to an epic fight, then end it with at LEAST 7 minutes of Megatron and Prime fighting head-to-head with all sorts of cool weaponry (and keep Sam THE FUCK OUT OF THE FIGHT!) Optimus wins, Decepticons retreat with a smashed up Megatron to set up a sequel. Roll credits. Summer blockbuster and everyone is happy.
I never said that Transformers 2 was 'The Worst Movie Ever', but outside of the special effects, the rest of the film is a horrible college-level comedy.
But anybody enjoyed the movie, then I'm honestly happy for them. I was just expecting more from a 2009 blockbuster when 2008's comic/toy/whatever franchise became cinematic masterpieces instead of CGI-schlock.
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Post subject: Re: Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:51 pm |
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zimes wrote:
And none of those movies are terrible or bad enough to make a "worse movie of all time" list. They are great films with a lot of action but his movies and some plot holes.
I think Spoony was the only one who said the phrase 'worst movie ever'. I didn't like the movie, but there are TONS of movies that REALLY suck, and I would rather watch TF2 over. zimes wrote: I hope the next Transformer movie is re-born by one of the directors that did Iron Man, Batman Begins, or I, Robot. at least those stories make sense and there are some great action scenes in there. Here here! I second that motion.
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