Post subject: Re: Green Lantern: The Animated Series Pilot thoughts
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:28 pm
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LaughingMan wrote:
CineMax wrote:
Sure, it was pretty much a desperate attempt to generate more drama on the comic book writers' part, but it doesn't change the fact that the movie was freaking awesome. For starters, we got a more or less coherent explanation why Jason Todd is back, and not the retarded 'Superman from an alternative dimension punched the walls of reality of some shit during the last major team-up; hence why this single long-forgotten character came back from life' explanation. Second, John DiMaggio was great as the Joker. Not Hamill great, mind, but great still. In other words, just 'cos the movie was based on a retarded comic book arc, doesn't make it bad.
What he said. I personally enjoyed the hell out of Under the Red Hood, even though it was predictable, but no less shocking in places.
@CineMax: Where's that Batman: Year One review at?
I watched that clip, and I was thinking 'eh... that's an alright Joker.' Then again, I've been spoilt by Jack Nicholson and Luke Skywalker so that's mainly why .
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Post subject: Re: Green Lantern: The Animated Series Pilot thoughts
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:33 pm
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KennyFarino wrote:
I watched that clip, and I was thinking 'eh... that's an alright Joker.' Then again, I've been spoilt by Jack Nicholson and Luke Skywalker so that's mainly why .
As much as I want to jump into a Joker topic:
Topic derailed.
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Post subject: Re: Green Lantern: The Animated Series Pilot thoughts
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:39 pm
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CineMax wrote:
@B-mask: Oi, hands off of Batman: Under the Red Hood. Sure, it was pretty much a desperate attempt to generate more drama on the comic book writers' part, but it doesn't change the fact that the movie was freaking awesome. For starters, we got a more or less coherent explanation why Jason Todd is back, and not the retarded 'Superman from an alternative dimension punched the walls of reality of some shit during the last major team-up; hence why this single long-forgotten character came back from life' explanation. Second, John DiMaggio was great as the Joker. Not Hamill great, mind, but great still. In other words, just 'cos the movie was based on a retarded comic book arc, doesn't make it bad.
Though I agree on one thing: the fact that Sam Register was one of the many, many executive producers doesn't mean he's the one who made the movie great.
My problem is more with Jason Todd though- I read Hush and I thought it was great. The part where Batman figures out that Clayface was mimicking Jason to screw with his mind made for a really intense battle scene and I absolutely loved it. We get to see Batman actually doubt himself and then realise that he's actually much more stable in the situation than he's normally given credit for.
And then Jason Todd came back from the dead and completely cheapened the entire idea.
I don't think Under the red hood is terrible, and my argument was more that it wasn't as unique as BTAS as it was purely an almost direct adaptation, but if you ask me, Hush would make an amazingly strong Batman movie. I just don't get why they haven't done it yet...
Just kiddin'. It's in the works, really. Actually, I'm currently working on two written reviews at once: one's Batman: Year One and the other one... Well, let's just say you lads will be quite surprised when you see it. Make no mistake, I could post the bits and pieces I already have for both reviews; however, since it seems like so far I'm the only one who still abides the 'No Posting Untill Finished' rule, I'm planing to continue doing so, if you don't mind.
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My problem is more with Jason Todd though- I read Hush and I thought it was great. The part where Batman figures out that Clayface was mimicking Jason to screw with his mind made for a really intense battle scene and I absolutely loved it. We get to see Batman actually doubt himself and then realize that he's actually much more stable in the situation than he's normally given credit for.
And then Jason Todd came back from the dead and completely cheapened the entire idea.
Yeah, I loved that moment, too. Hence why I nearly facepalmed myself retarded when the writers later tried to retcon this scene by saying that the Jason we saw on the cemetery—despite having a strand of silver hair that he never had since coming back from the grave—was, in fact, the real Jason, while the one he later caught on the rooftop was Clayface.
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I don't think Under the red hood is terrible, and my argument was more that it wasn't as unique as BTAS as it was purely an almost direct adaptation, but if you ask me, Hush would make an amazingly strong Batman movie. I just don't get why they haven't done it yet...
Ah, I see. As for why Warner Bros. won't adapt Batman: Hush despite the fact that it's probably one of the most well-written Batman stories of the last decade... Dude, we're talking about people who greenlit Beware the Batman and turned JLA: Tower of Babble into yet another 'Justice League Vs. Yet Another Team of Supervillains' story, remember? Frankly, nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to these guys...
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Post subject: Re: Green Lantern: The Animated Series Pilot thoughts
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:30 pm
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Yeah, it seems true of DC at the moment. They're outselling Marvel but I often wonder if this is all superficial, all talk and no walk. Like, all these shows, and now aardman and lauren faust are doing short comedies to fill out a new DC channel...I mean, it's cute and it's a nice way to balance out a channel, but do we really NEED a DC channel? I worry that this is helping to stop the spread of creativity and unique animated shows...I mean, why should a network buy into a new show when all they have to do is assign a bunch of interns to a DC product without thinking about whether its the right time or whether or not the guys have their heart in it? My little Pony was something Faust wanted to shake up, same goes for STAS after BTAS, Same goes for Hey Arnold and...the list goes on. Bottom line is, they cared. Just look at what happened when they tried to force out the fart that was the green lantern movie!
I want to see a new serious serial, like Samurai Jack, aka one of the most unsung epics of animated tv. And DC could put money into i instead of trying to strangle the batman franchise (I'm happy with Arkham City and seeing the next Nolan flick, not to mention all the DVD specials, so stop with the saturday morning shit DC! :V) Or hell, how about a proper detective series? I'm constantly amazed at how there has never been a long running, compelling sherlock holmes cartoon (not the futuristic one from citv, thanks) or a gumshoe detective styled show. Those are ripe for the pickings. Same goes for outside of animation.
Also I should go back and check the silver hair thing. Little details like that and the idea that he could only copy nightwing just make me love that whole scene even more!
Post subject: Re: Green Lantern: The Animated Series Pilot thoughts
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:45 am
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RELEVENT LIKE NEVER BEFORE:
Seriously though, yeah. You'd think that with the phenomenal commercial success of titles like Nolan's The Dark Knight trilogy, Rocksteady Studios' Arkham Asylum/City games, and all the aforesaid straight-to-DVD specials, DC would've commissioned an equally dark, serious contemporary Batman TV show to continue the legacy of B:TAS, but no. Instead, it seems like every time there's a big budget superhero movie or game based on a popular DC superhero coming out, the studio quickly releases a half-assed, watered-down tie-in series for the kiddies, not 'cos they actually care about the show, but 'cos it's just another way to advertise the bigger, more profitable project.
Also, you're damn right, my friend. Samurai Jack was freakin' awesome! No kiddie bullshit and PG-13 compromises, just pure artistic, cinematic brilliance. A Batman: TAS of samurai movies, if you will. Oh, and the theme song was catchy as hell!
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Post subject: Re: Green Lantern: The Animated Series Pilot thoughts
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:32 pm
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Lawdy, this brings back so many memories! It was one of the few shows my parents actually wanted to watch with me (it was on at like 9 or something), and it's just...jesus, it's just so patient and brilliant. The fact that this came out of the same guy who brought us Dexters Lab is also a pretty good testament to his style in adapting.
I hear they're making a movie about it, but it's being made by the guy who's making the shitty Mirror Mirror movie to cash in on the success of Twilight. And that worries me >.>
As for the green lantern topic (LOL) I couldn't even begin to tell you anything about it, and so far the cartoon doesn't seem to change anything that could make it more engaging like the superman AS, so.....I dunno, does anyone think there could be a way to make the green lantern an engaging series for everyone?
Post subject: Re: Green Lantern: The Animated Series Pilot thoughts
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:28 pm
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I'm a huge fan of Genndy Tartakovsky's work. I enjoy everything he made. Dexter's Laboratory, Samurai Jack, Star Wars: Clone Wars, and Sym-Bionic Titan. Right now, he's working on his first feature film. It's called Hotel Transylvania.
To B-mask: There are those two awesome direct to video Green Lantern movies. If that helps.
Post subject: Re: Green Lantern: The Animated Series Pilot thoughts
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:00 am
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B-mask wrote:
I dunno, does anyone think there could be a way to make the green lantern an engaging series for everyone?
A crossover episode with Bats?
Nah, just kiddin'... Though I'm dead serious when I say that most of, if not all, the episodes of Superman: The Animated Series I remember watching were crossovers like World's Finest and Knight Time. Well, those and the important ones like Brave New Metropolis, Legacy, etc. Sorry, not a big fan of the big blue.
As for Green Lantern, I dunno... If you say that one of the main flaws of the series is its ill-fated endeavor to give all the unknown, secondary characters a chance to shine, all while leaving the main character, Hal Jordan, in the dark, I'd say the first course of action would be to stop that nonsense and dedicate a couple of episodes to developing his character from a tool that merely moves a the story to, well, a full-time, well-rounded character. Also, you know what? I take it back about the crossovers. Perhaps a couple of team-up episodes with popular space-themed characters like, I dunno, Starfire or Lobo might help the series to increase its target audience.
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Post subject: Re: Green Lantern: The Animated Series Pilot thoughts
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:19 am
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A Marvel/DC crossover with Deadpool, with Ryan Reynolds playing both parts.
I joke (sort of), but honestly I'm not a Green Lantern fan at all. I can appreciate most DC characters (especially Batman) but Green Lantern just doesn't do much for me for some odd reason. He is a somewhat unique character that has no Marvel counterpart (seriously Marvel and DC having Hawkeye and Green Arrow, or Deathstroke and Deadpool, etc. Copycat much?) but meh I just don't feel jack for Green Lantern. Maybe it's his complete lack of imagination in the comics and cartoons by always using the power to make giant fists, hammers, and walls, and nothing ridiculously cool like the minigun from the Green Lantern movie. Or maybe it's because to me Green Lantern doesn't have as much character as others: Batman is borderline psychopath who watched his parents get murdered, Tony Stark is an alcoholic, Peter Parker is juggling the lives of a teen and a superhero, Wolverine is fucked up on multiple levels but he's always the noble savage.
Green Lantern... I guess in one comic arch they made him gay for more depth, but other than that, what is his drive to save humanity instead of ruling over the people? It's the same thing with Superman being good just for the sake of it. Extraordinary but underutilized powers, and a pretty bland character (or characters), IMO.
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