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 Post subject: Re: Tired of Over Masculine Video Games
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:35 am 
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So young normal sized men in a stylized world with magic is worse than steroided gorillas that kill everything in a post apocalyptic future world with enormous machine guns? Final Fantasy and traditional JRPGs have a sense of beauty and wonder that makes the game unique but if you want to play your WWII or Future Zombie shooters then whatever.

Im not disrespecting Onoe but I want to see a macho ballstothewall character like Conan or Wolverine in a video game way before I would want to play a 40 hour game as one of the Jonas Brothers. Fuck that noise.


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So young normal sized men in a stylized world with magic is worse than steroided gorillas that kill everything in a post apocalyptic future world with enormous machine guns? Final Fantasy and traditional JRPGs have a sense of beauty and wonder that makes the game unique but if you want to play your WWII or Future Zombie shooters then whatever.

Im not disrespecting Onoe but I want to see a macho ballstothewall character like Conan or Wolverine in a video game way before I would want to play a 40 hour game as one of the Jonas Brothers. Fuck that noise.

And you are entitled to your own preference. My problem is that Eastern and Western developers both have their own unique game styles but now all of the Eastern developers are conforming to the Western tastes by making new games that all feature Duke Nukem or Schwarzenegger knock off characters instead of making games that are artistic and visually appealing.

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 Post subject: Re: Tired of Over Masculine Video Games
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:19 pm 
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Both Eastern and Western developers are at blame because instead of copying one style of gameplay, whether it be the JRPG format or the Duke Nukem format, they should just make something more frucking ORIGINAL.

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 Post subject: Re: Tired of Over Masculine Video Games
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:07 pm 
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The love that I had for FF games has gone out the window. its no longer turn based combat and the main characters for the past 3 games (not including 9 or 11) have been sad to say the best. JRPG's have tried to copy the good from them trying to add too much and its been a pebble that has rolled down a mountain giving us an avalanche of stupid shit to wade through.

Western has not been much better by lowering the morality standard of any game it touches. more blood, more guts, more cursing, more beat-the-stripper-to-get-your-money-back gameplay , and more porn than what even needs to be put into games. thus the main characters get uglier and more raunchy than ever.

yes there are cases where rolls switch but for the generalities of each region I would think the above holds true.

KFC said it right. make something original or at least try.

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 Post subject: Re: Tired of Over Masculine Video Games
PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:58 pm 
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But why risk funding on an original idea when copycatting a successful game is safer? Besides, you can only ever be just soso original in anyting you make. It is just like how all action films are variants of Die Hard.

When game development is a multi-million dollar undertaking it is hard to be creative and make a decent profit as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Tired of Over Masculine Video Games
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Sure the big-name studios have cut projects that they felt were risky ventures, but the indie game scene is strong. Unique games like Braid have been extremely successful in sales, as well as being highly regarded by critics and gamers alike.

But back on the subject of Eastern developers copying Western game styles, I think that it comes down something like this:

Traditional Chinese food is heavy in vegetables rather than in meat. Western Chinese restaurants have more meat in their food. If a traditional Chinese food restaurant is next door to a Western variant, and more people are eating at the Western than the traditional restaurant, more than likely the traditional restaurant will add more meat to their food to remain competitive.

That is how it works, and right now there is a larger demand for the Conan-looking motherfuckers tearing out spines, shooting up baddies, and shitting down necks in extremely gory games, and to stay competitive in a world-wide market, ALL developers are trying to emulate that style the same way that a 12 year old girl has to stay 'fashionable'. It's all a big fad, but people pay for fads.

And 'catering to the West' is nothing new. Old school NES games that featured heavily 'anime' styles were usually re-designed with a more Hollywood action flair. Even game sprites and cut scenes that were heavily anime were re-created to be more realistic in the U.S. versions. So when game studios make a "your game, our game" kind of project, they are just trying to appeal to a world-wide audience with two very distinct tastes.

I think Hideo Kojima (creator of Metal Gear Solid) said it best:
“Western games have expanded in the true sense of action games," he said, whereas Japanese consumers "prefer more storytelling, more detailed settings within the game, a more narrative kind of style often with anime mixed into it.”

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 Post subject: Re: Tired of Over Masculine Video Games
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west and east both have one thing in common
big over-compensating-phallic-symbol weapons
be it a gun or a sword the developers always come up short between the legs. it is like they are acting out their male fantasies through the games they make.


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 Post subject: Re: Tired of Over Masculine Video Games
PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:25 am 
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AMEN!

The love that I had for FF games has gone out the window. its no longer turn based combat and the main characters for the past 3 games (not including 9 or 11) have been sad to say the best. JRPG's have tried to copy the good from them trying to add too much and its been a pebble that has rolled down a mountain giving us an avalanche of stupid shit to wade through.

Western has not been much better by lowering the morality standard of any game it touches. more blood, more guts, more cursing, more beat-the-stripper-to-get-your-money-back gameplay , and more porn than what even needs to be put into games. thus the main characters get uglier and more raunchy than ever.

yes there are cases where rolls switch but for the generalities of each region I would think the above holds true.

KFC said it right. make something original or at least try.

But you just said that Western games have influenced the Final Fantasy series and it has ruined them for you. That is the same point I am making about Japanese games appeasing American tastes with the violence, language, and the very adult situations. What would you think of Final Fantasy if it had Squall calling people 'mother fuckers' and decapitating Zell?
Wait. Scratch that second part. It would have made Final Fantasy VIII better.

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 Post subject: Re: Tired of Over Masculine Video Games
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ONOE wrote:
That is the same point I am making about Japanese games appeasing American tastes with the violence, language, and the very adult situations. What would you think of Final Fantasy if it had Squall calling people 'mother fuckers' and decapitating Zell?

It would have been a hell of a lot better than Squall pouting around like an emo git, passing on some the ripe poon that Quistis practically throws at him, and dancing like an Asian midget with a pegleg.

Japanese Role Playing Games are lame because every one is a pretty boy emo wuss with a big weapon that doesn't overcompensate their manhood because you would need manhood first. The big weapons compensate for their lame personality.


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 Post subject: Re: Tired of Over Masculine Video Games
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:15 am 
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JTHM wrote:
Im not disrespecting Onoe but I want to see a macho ballstothewall character like Conan or Wolverine in a video game way before I would want to play a 40 hour game as one of the Jonas Brothers. Fuck that noise.

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ONOE wrote:
That is the same point I am making about Japanese games appeasing American tastes with the violence, language, and the very adult situations. What would you think of Final Fantasy if it had Squall calling people 'mother fuckers' and decapitating Zell?

It would have been a hell of a lot better than Squall pouting around like an emo git, passing on some the ripe poon that Quistis practically throws at him, and dancing like an Asian midget with a pegleg.

Japanese Role Playing Games are lame because every one is a pretty boy emo wuss with a big weapon that doesn't overcompensate their manhood because you would need manhood first. The big weapons compensate for their lame personality.

Like you said above the characters are the whole problem with Japanese games. Why would I want to play as a cross dressing whiny bitch? It is like when I first played Final Fantasy 10 and I never got past the first hour because the main character was a fucking stupid metrosexual with a cocky attitude and bleached hair. It was like playing the game as a pomeranian dog.
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