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  • #3671
    KahunaDrake
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    *Original title is original*

    50 Shades of Grey came out during Valentine’s Day weekend and has seen financial success even if the reviews for the film are less than stellar.

    However, the franchise has created quite a stir in some circles.

    Religious groups have labeled 50 Shades as perverse filth.

    The BDSM community says the books/film is a gross misrepresentation of their lifestyle.

    Sex-positive feminists say 50 Shades can be a good outlet for women to embrace/explore their sexuality.

    Anti-porn feminists say 50 Shades promotes sexual violence towards women and promotes a “submissive” female stereotype.

    I think the BDSM community is probably the only party with a legit concern. There is nothing casual about BDSM and there is a lot of protocol involved to ensure relationships are “safe, sane, and consensual”. The mainstream doesn’t care what religious groups deem “immoral”. Feminists seem split on the issue, which is funny because the majority of people who read 50 Shades of Grey are women. Plus, it perfectly illustrates feminism’s fractured ideology.

    Having skimmed the first book, I thought the writing was nothing special and the kinky sex was tame by my standards. I guess the Internet has desensitized me to all sorts of sexual material :P. It’s just bizarre that American society has grown more lax over the years in regards to sexual subject matter but when an erotic film like 50 Shades comes out, everyone loses their shit. The same can be said about violent media, like Hatred.

    What do you guys think?

    Is the controversy over 50 Shades just a big hoopla about nothing? Do you think concern rises from the fact that the franchise is so popular?

    Why is there a moral panic around sex and violence in the media? What does that say about us as a society?

    Like the Twilight series, I think 50 Shades of Grey will become another harmless passing fad until the next craze comes along.

    Rabid ecstasy, 1997

    #3676
    VelcroRaptor
    VelcroRaptor
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    I’m of the same opinion with you on this; out of all the concerns listed, the one voiced by the BDSM community is the most valid and the only one with a legitimate reason to complain. What’s in the book has been described by many as either borderline abuse to full-on violence, which paints BDSM, which already has a “taboo” label to it, in an even worse light.

    If it weren’t so popular, there might not be such a big fight over it, but what many people seem to be worried about is how younger readers (late teens/early twenties) without much relationship or sexual experience might think of the character’s dynamic in the book as an ideal for them. Because it’s so popular and because its target audience has such a large range, it wouldn’t be a stretch of the imagination to think that some younger or older and naive readers could want their very own “Christian Grey” and possibly be lured or misled into a harmful relationship with someone because of it.

    As you said before, the BDSM community has very rigid rules and policies about how doms/subs interact for the sake of their health and safety. I’ve heard horror stories of women and men alike who have gotten attacked or hurt because they followed their ideas on what BDSM was like instead of researching safe ways to meet and arrange relationships with others, and this book creates another opportunity for people who would take advantage of others new to the idea.

    I’m hoping this passes through quickly, but keep in mind there are two other books that could possibly be made into movies.

    “We're actors — we're the opposite of people!”
    ― Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead"

    #3679
    KahunaDrake
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    Yeah, like during the Twilight craze every fangirl wanted a “Edward” of her own.
    Plus, Ana is like Bella: a blank canvas though which readers can insert themselves into the story. Makes reading all the more appealing.
    If this film makes any more money, there probably will be adaptions of the other books.

    I think the BDSM community is scared about people getting hurt/killed trying to perform some of the acts in the book/film or attracting irresponsible parties that will exploit them. Its a sad situation. It’s like responsible adults are trying to have fun but some stupid kid comes along and mucks things up.

    Also, if you are inexperienced, why the hell would you jump into such a relationship? I mean do some research and try some “vanilla” stuff before you dive into some hardcore shit smh

    Rabid ecstasy, 1997

    #3680
    Gizmo
    Gizmo
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    Yikes, I’ve been hesitant to touch this subject with even a 50 foot pole. (*shot*)
    But in all seriousness, I find this movie, and book very, insignificant.
    Though I have several friends who are off to see the movie with their friends and family (not even kidding on that.)
    And very few who are simply disgusted by the material.
    I’ve had time to see it from both sides, and have come to the conclusion that, it’s a half assed and very poor representation of porn, and BDSM.
    It’s main goal is to get all these teens, mothers, and woman, to buy into it’s cheap writing, and “erotic” sex scenes.
    For god’s sake a few girls in my french class pulled up the trailer on Youtube, and watched it on their phones with wide eyes and huge grins.
    It’s a gimmick and nothing more can be said about it from me without having me go on a rant so I will stop right there.

    As a small footnote I would like to say that I have nothing against BDSM, but people who go to see this movie and expect BDSM to be this, and go off on it in their real relationships… Well, that’s a story for another day.

    "Would you rather die a hero, or live long enough to see your self become the villian?"

    #3686
    PandaWarlock
    PandaWarlock
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    I can already smell “Tropes vs Women in movies” series coming.

    Seriously, I’d like to hear what Anita and her sex-negative kind of crowd would say about why this book and following movie are so popular among women, while almost universally hated among men. Why are healthy, normal women of all ages so mesmerised by the idea of a girl submitting to a man and becoming his plaything…
    Though I guess that sentences like “internalised misogyny” or “toxic influence of patriarchal society” would fly around. With maybe some “rape culture” to sweeten the deal.

    Personally, I think it’s nice how this book gives men hope. You don’t need to be perfect to get the girl. You only need to be a young, handsome millionaire with a big d*ck.

    Seriously though. I think that success of the “50 shades” and “Twilight” lies not in how well-written they are (because they are not), but in what modern women wish for, but are denied. And I’m not just talking about strong, charismatic and mysterious men. That’s one thing and it’s exactly same thing when men fantasise about this or that pretty girl. It’s more about how everyone tells them they should – or even have to – be strong, independent and generally show no weakness or dependence. Especially towards men. So here is a book about a normal, plain woman getting swept off her feet. She meets a man that takes control from her, allows her to forget herself and taste some sweet submission. An escape from hardcore feminists yelling “don’t give anything to a man!”.
    Books like that are popular because they meet a wide-spread need for something. Perhaps it’s a hiccup of changing times? Political correctness forbade men to be dominating and women to be submissive, but the society still harbours some of that sentiment, and looks for ways to scratch that itch?

    Anyway, that’s just my thought about it.

    #3706
    CineMax
    CineMax
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    Seriously, I’d like to hear what Anita and her sex-negative kind of crowd would say about why this book and following movie are so popular among women, while almost universally hated among men. Why are healthy, normal women of all ages so mesmerised by the idea of a girl submitting to a man and becoming his plaything…

    Here’s the funny thing, though: Imagine if the genders of the two main characters were switched. So, now you have an awkward young man, fresh out of college, applying for a job under the tutelage of an older female CEO of a Fortune 500 company. The woman doesn’t hesitate to assert her authority over the man, possibly even putting him in numerous situations that the modern #progressives would construe to be sexual harassment. But, for some reason, the young man doesn’t seem to mind it. In fact, he seems to immensely enjoy being bossed around by this woman. Long story short, the story culminates with the two forming a light BDSM relationship and the guy discovering that he loves getting his bumhole drilled with a ten inch strap-on.

    I can GUARANTEE that all of the sex-negative feminists who are outraged over 50 Shades would be all over this gender-swapped version calling it “bold” and “liberating” for both genders. Numerous talk shows and online videos would even go so far to assert that more men need to be like the guy from the novel. “Let go of that toxic masculinity, boys! Embrace your inner submissive side.” Yuck. ¬.¬

    #3711
    KahunaDrake
    KahunaDrake
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    I find it amusing when the anti-porn/sex-negative feminists try to determine what type of sexual activity is “politically correct”
    Having taken a feminist-oriented freshman English class back in the day, I was surprised to find that the most offensive sexual act to the anti-porn/sex negative crowd was a man making a “money-shot” on a woman’s face (seriously? I thought ATM was kind of out there). They regarded it as synonymous with physical abuse. As such, it is no surprise that they deem a woman in a sexually submissive position in relation to a man as anything but degrading. I don’t see why though. As long as they are consenting adults, who cares about how they “express” themselves behind closed doors?

    As PandaWarlock mentioned, 50 Shades and other literature of its kind enjoy a popularity among women but studies can’t determine why. I have heard many psychological and societal-based theories why this may be but there seems to be no satisfactory conclusion. If this phenomenon is an unforeseen byproduct of feminism, I will indeed laugh. Maybe the aspects of dominance/submission in relationships have become a “forbidden fruit” to partake of in our society. It feels wrong yet so right…

    Rabid ecstasy, 1997

    #3722
    CineMax
    CineMax
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    Maybe the aspects of dominance/submission in relationships have become a “forbidden fruit” to partake of in our society.

    I’d wager you’re onto something there, my friend.

    The truth is, this is once again the result of this forced, artificial equality that progressives are so hellbent on enforcing. I.e., the feminists like the idea of a woman going out and having multiple sexual escapades with various partners. So long as she doesn’t then say: “You know what? I really like giving my partner(s) a blowjob.” Instead, they’d rather her be the dominant one. “Push a guy’s head into your crotch! Force him to service you for as long as possible! And once you’ve reached climax, push him away, and tell him to go jerk off if he demands satisfaction.”

    Basically, once again, it’s an attempt by sex-negative feminists to rewrite reality and slutshame women for… well, being women. And if you can demonize and label a guy as a ‘rapist’ for… well, being a guy — all the better!

    #3724
    KahunaDrake
    KahunaDrake
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    What happened to the Golden Rule? Slut-shaming? I thought that was a tactic from The Patriararchy’s playbook. Shit makes me weep for humanity. Especially when you get radicals that say “heterosexual sex = rape”.

    Can’t reason with insanity I guess.

    It’s been said people who seek out a domineering parter, be it a man or woman, look to find some release from their assorted responsibilities in life. Freedom comes from someone else being in control.

    Rabid ecstasy, 1997

    #3727
    PandaWarlock
    PandaWarlock
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    Yeah, talking about radicals always feels like picking on the easy prey, but they actually seem to have an influence on the general population. Which is scary, to be honest. They seem to have this idea where relationship between man and woman can only be correct in some weird 1:1 ratio where no party has a hint of greater control (and God forbid it’s a man!). So if a woman cooks for a family – that’s oppressive, patriarchal and generally means her husband is no-good slacker and tyrant. Never mind that he can set the kitchen on fire when pouring himself some OJ. Is the husband is in charge of family finances – that’s keeping a woman down and again – patriarchy. Well, who cares if she hates all that fiscal stuff and gladly pushes those duties on her more number-oriented partner.
    It’s like the radicals are so deep in the fight for equality, they forget that people are not all the same. They have their own preferences, their own tastes and characters. Some people are more submissive – and not only when it comes to sex – and let their significant others take both a big share of life’s burdens and final voice when it comes to choices. And if their relationship is based on agreement on both sides – there is nothing wrong with it. It’s nothing wrong with a man lets his wife take a lead or with woman listening to her husband. I repeat – as long as it’s something that came from them both, not one being forcefully dominated. That’s not healthy and probably won’t go well.

    So women are hearing this for a while now. “Don’t give in to man! Be as strong at him! Or stronger! (because we all know girls need to try harder than men to reach the same result, because they are so weak and fragile). Don’t let him tell you what to do! Don’t be his tool of pleasure!”
    Well, guess what. There is nothing wrong with giving pleasure to the other party if you want it. Some people like giving more than receiving. Both men an women. It’s that simple. As CineMax said, if woman admits to like giving her partner oral pleasure, those radicals stand up and yell “YOU CAN’T!!”. Well, fuck you. Feminists fought to be liberated from tight, moral standards. Don’t push women back into “you can do that, but can’t do that” times. Unless you want to later fight for their liberation again in some kind of wicked wheel of fate.

    So women hear that over and over how they should be a man, but without being a man. And men shouldn’t be men too. And suddenly comes this book that says “here’s a woman who wants to be submitted meeting a dominating man and it’s okay. They both enjoy it and have a helluva time.”
    And they flock to it because it’s something new and liberating, even if not of a highest quality.

    #3729
    KahunaDrake
    KahunaDrake
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    Meanwhile, in the 90’s…

    Rabid ecstasy, 1997

    #3732
    KahunaDrake
    KahunaDrake
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    Also this…

    Rabid ecstasy, 1997

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